{"id":2636,"date":"2015-10-20T12:51:47","date_gmt":"2015-10-20T11:51:47","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/open-organization.com\/?p=2636"},"modified":"2015-10-20T12:51:47","modified_gmt":"2015-10-20T11:51:47","slug":"francais-savoir-parfois-resister-au-pot-de-miel-le-point-de-vue-de-didier-roux-sur-les-relations-startups-grands-groupes","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/open-organization.com\/fr\/2015\/10\/20\/francais-savoir-parfois-resister-au-pot-de-miel-le-point-de-vue-de-didier-roux-sur-les-relations-startups-grands-groupes\/","title":{"rendered":"Savoir parfois r\u00e9sister au pot de miel \u2013 le point de vue de Didier Roux sur les relations startups \u2013 grands groupes"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>[et_pb_section bb_built=\u00a0\u00bb1&Prime;][et_pb_row][et_pb_column type=\u00a0\u00bb4_4&Prime;][et_pb_text]<\/p>\n<p>Notre partenaire historique, l\u2019\u00c9cole Polytechnique, livre actuellement de gros efforts sur le front de l\u2019innovation et de l\u2019entrepreneuriat. Comme\u00a0Presans doit beaucoup \u00e0 Xavier Michel, son ancien Directeur G\u00e9n\u00e9ral, \u00e0 Fran\u00e7ois Plais, le patron du transfert technologique, et \u00e0 Pascal Chabert, le Directeur du Laboratoire de Physique des Plasmas dont je suis issu, c\u2019est avec plaisir que j\u2019avais accept\u00e9 la mission de donner un cycle de conf\u00e9rences sur ce sujet qui se trouve par ailleurs au c\u0153ur de mes int\u00e9r\u00eats et de mes r\u00e9centes publications (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.fr\/Innovation-Intelligence-Commoditization-Digitalization-Acceleration\/dp\/1326125826\/\">Innovation Intelligence<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.hbrfrance.fr\/chroniques-experts\/2015\/08\/8040-vers-une-uberisation-de-lintelligence\/\">Vers une Uberization de l&rsquo;Intelligence<\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"\/2015\/09\/20\/parrot-story-of-a-visionary-entrepreneur-and-a-young-genius-building-drones-in-his-garage\/\">The Parrot Drone Story: Visionary Entrepreneur Meets Garage-Based Genius<\/a>). L\u2019angle d\u2019attaque \u00e9tait tout trouv\u00e9\u00a0:\u00a0\u00ab\u00a0Startups : seule source d\u2019innovation possible pour les grands groupes?\u00a0\u00bb.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>En parlant de la pr\u00e9paration de ces conf\u00e9rences avec mon associ\u00e9 Herv\u00e9 Arribart, X72 et ancien Directeur Scientifique de Saint-Gobain, ce dernier me conseille d\u2019interviewer son ancien patron, le d\u00e9tonnant Didier Roux, Directeur R&amp;D et Innovation de Saint-Gobain. J\u2019apprends que ce dernier a beaucoup r\u00e9fl\u00e9chi \u00e0 la question des relations startups grands-groupes. Je connais le personnage. Il est affut\u00e9. Un scientifique qui pense business. Pas de langue de bois. <em>Je like<\/em>\u00a0!<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_2638\" style=\"width: 172px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><a href=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/Didier-Roux-Interview-Presans.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-2638\" class=\"size-full wp-image-2638\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/Didier-Roux-Interview-Presans.jpg\" alt=\"Didier Roux (\u00a9 Thomas Gogny)\" width=\"162\" height=\"244\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-2638\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><em>Didier Roux (\u00a9 Thomas Gogny)<\/em><\/p><\/div>\n<p>Je me retrouve donc aux <em>Miroirs<\/em>, le quartier g\u00e9n\u00e9ral de Saint-Gobain \u00e0 la D\u00e9fense. Le chemin, je commence \u00e0 le conna\u00eetre\u00a0: 7\u00e8me \u00e9tage, bureau 12. \u00ab\u00a0Ah\u00a0! Albert, que puis-je pour toi cette fois\u00a0?\u00a0Tu fais partie des meubles maintenant\u00a0!\u00a0\u00bb me lance avec son tonus habituel Didier Roux que j\u2019ai plaisir \u00e0 revoir.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Nous rentrons dans le vif du sujet. Startups \u2013 Grands Groupes. Pour quoi faire\u00a0? Comment les identifier\u00a0? Comment travailler avec elles de mani\u00e8re p\u00e9renne\u00a0? Quid du r\u00f4le de la fonction publique\u00a0?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3>De l\u2019apparition des investisseurs en capital risque et des premi\u00e8res startups<\/h3>\n<p>Didier commence par me rappeler ce que nous avons d\u00e9j\u00e0 soulign\u00e9 dans notre livre <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.fr\/Innovation-Intelligence-Commoditization-Digitalization-Acceleration\/dp\/1326125826\/\">Innovation Intelligence<\/a>. Tout commence dans les ann\u00e9es 80\u00a0: les investisseurs en capital risque (ou capital-risqueurs, ou <em>venture-capitalists<\/em>, ou VC) font leur apparition \u2013 en particulier dans le domaine des biotechnologies. Les VC sont une nouvelle esp\u00e8ce d\u2019investisseurs qui ont appris \u00e0 ma\u00eetriser le risque <em>early stage<\/em>. Le mod\u00e8le commence \u00e0 se r\u00f4der. Les quelques succ\u00e8s permettent de\u00a0financer\u00a0les nombreux \u00e9checs. Le mod\u00e8le permet aux technologies (en grande partie\u00a0issues du monde acad\u00e9mique) d\u2019arriver sur le march\u00e9 port\u00e9es par de petites structures <em>ad hoc<\/em>\u00a0et agiles. C\u2019est la naissance des startups. Le mod\u00e8le est encore mieux adapt\u00e9 au num\u00e9rique. Avec le num\u00e9rique, beaucoup moins <em>capital-intensive<\/em> et beaucoup moins <em>knowledge-intensive<\/em>, le mod\u00e8le explose. On l\u2019utilise \u00e0 mort. La machine s\u2019emballe. La bulle explose au d\u00e9but des ann\u00e9es 2000. Mais le VC continue de bien se d\u00e9velopper \u2013 y compris en Europe o\u00f9 ces pratiques sont un peu en retard.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3>De la survalorisation des startups venues des Etats-Unis<\/h3>\n<blockquote><p>Le rachat de NEST par Google \u00e0 3.2 milliard de dollars, ce n\u2019est probablement pas raisonnable!<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Peut-\u00eatre caricatural, mais au fond si vrai. Ce que Didier est en train de m\u2019expliquer est que les Etats-Unis ont depuis des ann\u00e9es d\u00e9velopp\u00e9 une comp\u00e9tence pour survendre les startups. A titre d\u2019exemple, Didier me raconte une histoire qu\u2019il conna\u00eet bien\u00a0: celle d\u2019<em>Aspen Aerogels<\/em>. <em>Aspen Aerogels<\/em> d\u00e9veloppe des produits isolants \u00e0 base d\u2019a\u00e9rogels. Un an apr\u00e8s son entr\u00e9e en bourse en juin 2014 au NASDAQ <em>Aspen Aerogels<\/em> \u00e0 non seulement atteint ses objectifs, mais les a aussi d\u00e9pass\u00e9s. Pourtant, l\u2019annonce tombe comme un couperet\u00a0: sa valorisation a \u00e9t\u00e9 divis\u00e9e par presque deux. Survalorisation des startups. L\u2019histoire se r\u00e9p\u00e8te. L\u2019objectif pour la startup\u00a0? D\u00e9montrer qu\u2019elle est capable de faire du chiffre d\u2019affaires, quitte \u00e0 casser les prix et les marges, tout en faisant miroiter aux investisseurs qu\u2019elle va casser la baraque avec un <em>scale-up<\/em>. Le tout \u00e0 grand renfort d\u2019embauche de manageurs exp\u00e9riment\u00e9s, et pour au final bien revendre avant que tout ne s\u2019\u00e9croule. La cons\u00e9quence probl\u00e9matique du mod\u00e8le\u00a0? Il devient quasiment impossible pour un grand groupe de rentabiliser son investissement. C\u2019est bien dommage car les startups sont un des moyens qui permettent d\u2019alimenter le <em>pipe<\/em>\u00a0de l&rsquo;innovation. Un moyen efficace et Darwinien\u00a0: racheter \u00e0 une valeur importante ce qui a d\u00e9j\u00e0 fait ses preuves est une bonne chose mais un prix d\u00e9raisonnablement\u00a0 \u00e9lev\u00e9 est contre-productif.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3>Du r\u00f4le des pouvoirs publics<\/h3>\n<p>Il y a 20 ans, en France, on ne savait pas faire des startups. Aujourd\u2019hui, on a fait beaucoup de progr\u00e8s. On a cr\u00e9\u00e9 un v\u00e9ritable paradis pour la cr\u00e9ation de startups. A tel point que le syst\u00e8me comporte maintenant des exc\u00e8s. De fa\u00e7on un peu caricaturale et heureusement non syst\u00e9matique, il existe des startups \u00a0qui vivent 5 ans sur des fonds publics et puis qui disparaissent. Par ailleurs, avec les incubateurs, SATT et autres IRT, on a cr\u00e9\u00e9 de multiples structures qui embauchent du personnel et qui sont de v\u00e9ritables bombes \u00e0 retardement. Ces structures sont cens\u00e9es devenir autonomes (rentables) \u00e0 terme. Elles ne le seront jamais. Quand elles exploseront, que fera-t-on de leurs personnels\u00a0?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3>Nova\u00a0: l\u2019outil pour travailler avec les startups de Saint-Gobain<\/h3>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.nova-saint-gobain.com\/\"><em>NOVA External Venturing<\/em><\/a> est le dispositif que Saint-Gobain a lanc\u00e9 il y a 8 ans d\u00e9di\u00e9 \u00e0 la mise en place de partenariat strat\u00e9giques avec des startups au niveau mondial. L\u2019id\u00e9e est de cr\u00e9er une situation \u00ab\u00a0gagnant-gagnant\u00a0\u00bb en amenant une techno startup vers un march\u00e9 Saint-Gobain. L\u2019objectif de Saint-Gobain est de mettre en place des contrats de co-d\u00e9veloppement \u2013 mais certainement pas de racheter. NOVA a permis de screener 2500 startups, d\u2019engager un dialogue avec 250 et de contractualiser avec 70. Une multitude d\u2019histoires int\u00e9ressantes \u00e0 ce stade. Pas encore de v\u00e9ritable success story. En revanche, cela a permis \u00e0 Saint-Gobain de d\u00e9velopper un v\u00e9ritable savoir-faire pour travailler avec des startups, ainsi que d\u2019en tirer de\u00a0nombreux b\u00e9n\u00e9fices, notamment culturels. Cela a aussi permis aux start-ups d\u2019avancer et de se confronter \u00e0 la r\u00e9alit\u00e9 du d\u00e9veloppement industriel. Un grand pas, compte tenu du faible degr\u00e9 de maturit\u00e9 de beaucoup d\u2019autres grands groupes sur la question startups.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3>Identifier, dealer et \u00e9tablir une relation p\u00e9renne<\/h3>\n<p>Nous avons estim\u00e9 qu\u2019il y a sans doute pr\u00e8s de 100 000 startups en vie dans le monde \u2013\u00a0mais cela d\u00e9pend bien s\u00fbr de la d\u00e9finition d\u2019une startup (pour nous\u00a0: une entreprise qui a des VCs \u00e0 son capital). Quel que soit le nombre exact, il y en a beaucoup. Comment trouver les quelques dizaines avec lesquels il serait opportun de travailler\u00a0? Vaste question. Nous pourrions entreprendre de cartographier l\u2019ensemble des startups\u00a0; ce que fait <a href=\"http:\/\/www.presans.com\">Presans<\/a>. Chez Saint-Gobain, on essaie d\u2019une part d\u2019aller p\u00eacher o\u00f9 se trouvent les poissons, en mettant un peu d\u2019argent dans des fonds de capital risque et en participants \u00e0 des incubateurs. On utilise aussi la technique du pot de miel\u00a0: c\u2019est l\u2019organisation du concours startups (5\u00e8me \u00e9dition en 2015).<\/p>\n<p>Au final identifier les startups n\u2019est pas si compliqu\u00e9. Le v\u00e9ritable challenge est de travailler avec elles sans les tuer. L\u2019id\u00e9e de Jacques Aschenbroich, l\u2019ancien Directeur G\u00e9n\u00e9ral de Saint-Gobain et ancien patron de Didier Roux, est qu\u2019il faut n\u00e9cessairement qu\u2019un manageur de haut niveau soit impliqu\u00e9 dans la relation pour que celle-ci soit p\u00e9renne. Cela n\u2019est pas suffisant, mais en tout cas n\u00e9cessaire. Quoi que l\u2019on fasse, certaines startups mourront\u00a0ind\u00e9pendamment de cette relation. M\u00eame si Saint-Gobain met les startups\u00a0en garde: si ce que Saint-Gobain leur demande n\u2019est pas au c\u0153ur de leur strat\u00e9gie, elles ne devraient pas contractualiser. Mais parfois, l\u2019appel du grand groupe est tr\u00e8s fort et ce n\u2019est pas une bonne chose s\u2019il contribue \u00e0 la\u00a0d\u00e9focalisation de la startup.<\/p>\n<p>En conclusion, les start-ups sont une fa\u00e7on merveilleusement efficace d\u2019ouvrir le champs des possibles mais il faut, pour que le syst\u00e8me perdure, corriger les exc\u00e8s de certaines pratiques contre-productives.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><em>Article bas\u00e9 sur une discussion avec Didier Roux, VP RD Saint-Gobain, le 12 octobre 2015.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">***<br \/>\n*<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Pour aller plus loin: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.eua.be\/Libraries\/default-document-library\/responsible-partnering-guidelines.pdf?sfvrsn=0\">responsible partnering<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3>A propos de Didier Roux<\/h3>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Didier Roux est n\u00e9 en 1955. Apr\u00e8s des \u00e9tudes de chimie et de physique \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9cole normale sup\u00e9rieur de saint Cloud, il est entr\u00e9 au CNRS en 1980. Docteur d\u2019\u00e9tat en 1984 il a \u00e9t\u00e9 directeur de recherche au CNRS entre 1990 et 2005. Il a dirig\u00e9 le centre de recherche Paul-Pascal de 1997 \u00e0 2001.<\/p>\n<p>Il est Laur\u00e9at de nombreux prix et distinctions dont le grand prix IBM mat\u00e9riaux, le grand prix de l\u2019acad\u00e9mie des Sciences Mergier Bourdeix. Il est titulaire de la m\u00e9daille d\u2019argent et de la m\u00e9daille de l\u2019innovation du CNRS.<\/p>\n<p>Int\u00e9ress\u00e9s par les applications de la recherche, il participe \u00e0 la cr\u00e9ation de deux start-up en 1994 et 1998, il est directeur scientifique adjoint de Rh\u00f4ne Poulenc puis participe au conseil scientifique et technologique de Rhodia entre 1997 et 2005. Il est depuis le premier juin 2005 Directeur de la recherche et du d\u00e9veloppement de Saint Gobain. Directeur de l\u2019Innovation du groupe Saint-Gobain depuis Janvier 2009, Il est membre de l\u2019acad\u00e9mie des sciences (institut de France) et de l\u2019acad\u00e9mie des technologies.<\/p>\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][et_pb_cta _builder_version=\u00a0\u00bb3.2.1&Prime; title=\u00a0\u00bbNEED A QUICK ANSWER TO YOUR TECHNOLOGICAL QUESTION ?\u00a0\u00bb button_text=\u00a0\u00bbGIVE IT A TRY\u00a0\u00bb button_url=\u00a0\u00bbhttps:\/\/presans.com\/sofia\/conciergerie\/ask\u00a0\u00bb url_new_window=\u00a0\u00bbon\u00a0\u00bb background_image=\u00a0\u00bb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/Blockchain-Technology-Cryptography-Network-Business-3418742.jpg\u00a0\u00bb header_font=\u00a0\u00bb|700||on|||||\u00a0\u00bb body_font=\u00a0\u00bb|800|||||||\u00a0\u00bb custom_button=\u00a0\u00bbon\u00a0\u00bb button_text_size=\u00a0\u00bb17&Prime; button_icon=\u00a0\u00bb%%40%%\u00a0\u00bb button_bg_color=\u00a0\u00bb#ffffff\u00a0\u00bb button_text_color=\u00a0\u00bb#182954&Prime; button_border_color=\u00a0\u00bb#ffffff\u00a0\u00bb button_font=\u00a0\u00bb|800||on|||||\u00a0\u00bb header_font_size=\u00a0\u00bb25&Prime; custom_padding=\u00a0\u00bb|60px||60px\u00a0\u00bb saved_tabs=\u00a0\u00bball\u00a0\u00bb global_module=\u00a0\u00bb6635&Prime;]<\/p>\n<p>The Conciergerie platform sets up your call appointment with a Presans-vetted international expert within few days<\/p>\n<p>[\/et_pb_cta][\/et_pb_column][\/et_pb_row][\/et_pb_section]<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p><div class=\"et_pb_row et_pb_row_0 et_pb_row_empty\">\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<\/div><div class=\"et_pb_module et_pb_text et_pb_text_0  et_pb_text_align_left et_pb_bg_layout_light\">\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<\/div> Notre partenaire historique, l\u2019\u00c9cole Polytechnique, livre actuellement de gros efforts sur le front de l\u2019innovation et de l\u2019entrepreneuriat. Comme\u00a0Presans doit beaucoup \u00e0 Xavier Michel, son ancien Directeur G\u00e9n\u00e9ral, \u00e0 Fran\u00e7ois Plais, le patron du transfert technologique, et \u00e0 Pascal Chabert, le Directeur du Laboratoire de Physique des Plasmas dont je suis issu, c\u2019est avec [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":2639,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_et_pb_use_builder":"on","_et_pb_old_content":"<p>Our long-time partner, the \u00c9cole Polytechnique, is currently putting in big efforts on the innovation and entrepreneurship front. Because Presans owes a lot to Xavier Michel, its former Managing Director, Fran\u00e7ois Plais, head of tech transfer, and Pascal Chabert, Managing Director of the Plasma Physics lab I come from, it is with pleasure that I accepted the mission to give a cycle of conferences on a topic that lies close to my interests and recent publications (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.fr\/Innovation-Intelligence-Commoditization-Digitalization-Acceleration\/dp\/1326125826\/\">Innovation Intelligence<\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.hbrfrance.fr\/chroniques-experts\/2015\/08\/8040-vers-une-uberisation-de-lintelligence\/\">Vers une Uberization de l'Intelligence<\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"\/2015\/09\/20\/parrot-story-of-a-visionary-entrepreneur-and-a-young-genius-building-drones-in-his-garage\/\">The Parrot Drone Story: Visionary Entrepreneur Meets Garage-Based Genius<\/a>). I went for the following thematic angle: \u201cStartups: the only possible source of innovation for large corporations?\"<\/p>[caption id=\"attachment_2638\" align=\"alignleft\" width=\"162\"]<a href=\"http:\/\/open-organization.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/Didier-Roux-Interview-Presans.jpg\"><img class=\"size-full wp-image-2638\" src=\"http:\/\/open-organization.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/Didier-Roux-Interview-Presans.jpg\" alt=\"Didier Roux (\u00a9 Thomas Gogny)\" width=\"162\" height=\"244\" \/><\/a> <em>Didier Roux (\u00a9 Thomas Gogny)<\/em>[\/caption]<p>While exchanging on the preparation of these conferences with my associate Herv\u00e9 Arribart, 1972 Polytechnique Alumni and former Scientific Managing Director at Saint-Gobain, he advised me to interview his former boss, the straight-talking Didier Roux, Managing Director of R&D and Innovation of Saint-Gobain. I am told the man has done some thinking on the matter of startup \/ large group relations. I know the character: a sharp scientific mind that tackles business issues on a daily basis. No corporate waffle-speak gets a big +1 from me.<\/p><p>Thus I find myself on the way to the Miroirs\u00a0tower, where the headquarters of Saint-Gobain are located at La D\u00e9fense. This environment has started to become familiar: 7th floor, office 12.\u00a0\u201cAh, Albert, what can I do for you today? You\u2019re part of the furniture now!\u201d says Didier Roux with habitual gusto. I am glad to see him again.<\/p><p>We quickly get to the heart of the discussion: startups and large corporations. What should they accomplish together? How can partners be identified? How to arrange a long term working relation? What should be the role of public authorities?<\/p><h3>On the emergence of venture capitalists and the first startups<\/h3><p>Didier kicks things off by reminding me of something we already emphasized in our <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.fr\/Innovation-Intelligence-Commoditization-Digitalization-Acceleration\/dp\/1326125826\/\">Innovation Intelligence<\/a> book. Everything start in the 1980s when venture capitalists (VCs) start investing into companies, in particular in the field of biotechnology. VCs are a new breed of investors who learned how to master early stage risk. Their operating model is based the few high-payoff investments balancing a majority of low or no return investments. This model enables technologies, largely originating from academia, to become products via\u00a0small and agile\u00a0ad hoc\u00a0entities: this marks the birth of startups. A model that fits even better with the digital economy. Both less capital intensive and knowledge intensive, the digital economy provides a massive boost to the VC model. Though well established by now, the VC industry continues to expand, including in Europe where there is some lag to make up for.<\/p><h3>American startups are overrated<\/h3><blockquote><p>The acquisition of NEST by Google at a 3.2 billion dollar price is probably not something reasonable!<\/p><\/blockquote><p>Perhaps that statement stretches things a little. But it rings true. What Didier explains to me is that over the years, the United States have become very proficient at overselling their startups. As an example, Didier tells me story that he knows very well: Aspen Aerogels.\u00a0Aspen Aerogels develops aerogel-based isolation products. One year after first being listed on the NASDAQ in June 2014,\u00a0Aspen Aerogels\u00a0not only met its targets, but went beyond them. However, this announcement came like a hammer blow, as its valuation had been divided by close to two. The history of overrated startups repeats itself. What is the objective of a startup? To prove that it is capable of generating revenue, at the risk of wrecking prices and margins, all the while encouraging investors to believe things will scale up perfectly and profitably. Hiring experienced managers is part of a plan that ends with a well-timed sell, just before everything collapses. So this VC model has a problematic consequence for large groups: it becomes nigh impossible for them to make good on their investment. Which is regrettable, because are a good method to feed the innovation pipeline. An effective and Darwinian method: to acquire at a high price what already has been proven to work is a good move, however unreasonably high prices are counter-productive.<\/p><h3>The role of public authorities<\/h3><p>Twenty years ago nobody knew how to do startups in France. There has been a lot of progress in the meantime. A paradise for startup creation has been brought into existence, to the point that this system now displays signs of excess. Stretching things a little again: there are startups that survive for five years on public funding and then fold. On top of that, incubators, SAATs and IRTs have hired personnel and have now become ticking time bombs. These structures were meant to eventually become self-financing. But that will never happen. When they go under, what will happen to their staff?<\/p><h3>NOVA: the platform for startups to work with Saint-Gobain<\/h3><p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.nova-saint-gobain.com\/\"><em>NOVA External Venturing<\/em><\/a> was set up eight years ago by Saint-Gobain to handle strategic partnerships with startups on a global level. The idea est to create win-win situations by paving the way of technological startups towards Saint-Gobain markets. The objective of Saint-Gobain est to put in place co-development contracts, not to acquire. NOVA screened 2500 startups, engaged a dialogue with 250 and signed contracts with 70. Plenty of interesting stories so far, though there is no success story that stands out. On the plus side, Saint-Gobain developed know-how for collaborating with startups, and benefited a lot from the program on a cultural level. Startups on their side gained growth and learned how to confront the reality of industrial development. This is a major step, especially taking into account the low maturity of other large corporations when it comes to handling relations with startups.<\/p><h3>Identifying, making a deal, establishing a long term relation<\/h3><p>We\u2019ve estimated that there are around 100 000 startups in operation in the world. This figure naturally depends on how you define this notion. For us, a startup is a company with VC capital. In any case, there are a of them around. How to find the small set of those with whom collaboration is desirable? That\u2019s a big question. Mapping the whole set is one approach, currently adopted by Presans. At Saint-Gobain, it\u2019s a mix of two. The first is going fishing where there are fishes, by investing small sums in venture funds and participating in incubators. The second approach is the honeypot technique: organizing a startup competition, currently in its fifth edition.<\/p><p>Identifying startups ends up not being that complicated. The real challenge is working with them without killing them. Jacques Aschenbroich\u2019s idea, former Managing Director of Saint-Gobain and former boss of Didier Roux, is that there has to be a top level manager involved in the relation to keep it going in the long term. This is not a sufficient condition, but it is necessary. Some startups will go under for reasons that have nothing to do with the relation. But Sai\nnt-Gobain forewarns startups that if what Saint-Gobain asks of them lies outside of their core strategy, they should not sign a contract. The appeal of working with a large group can however prove overpowering, which isn\u2019t a good thing when it contributes to weaken a startup\u2019s focus.<\/p><p>To conclude, startips are a great way to explore the field of possibilities, but for the system to endure, excesses attached to certain counter-productive practices need to be corrected.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p style=\"text-align: right;\">Article based on a discussion with Didier Roux, VP Saint-Gobain R&S, 12 October 2015.<\/p><p style=\"text-align: center;\">***<br \/>*<\/p><p>More on a similar them: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.eua.be\/Libraries\/default-document-library\/responsible-partnering-guidelines.pdf?sfvrsn=0\">responsible partnering<\/a>.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><h3>About Didier Roux<\/h3><p>Didier Roux was born in 1955. After studying chemistry and physics at the \u00c9cole Normale Sup\u00e9rieure of Saint-Cloud, he entered the CNRS in 1980. He obtained an advanced doctorate degree in 1984 and has directed research at CNRS between 1990 and 2005. He ran the Paul-Pascal research center from 1997 to 2001.<\/p><p>He is the laureate of numerous prizes and distinctions among which the IBM materials prize and\u00a0the Mergier Bourdeix Academy of Sciences prize. He is the holder of the silver medal and of the innovation medal of the CNRS.<\/p><p>Interested by the applications of research, he participated in the creation of two startups in 1994 and 1998. He became Scientific Managing Director at Rh\u00f4ne Poulenc then participated in the scientific and technological board of Rhodia between 1997 and 2005. Since 1 June 2005 he is Director of Research and Development at Saint-Gobain Group. Since January 2009 he is the Managing Director of Innovation at Saint-Gobain Group. 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